YetAnother IF2 Thread

[neoeno]

Split out of other thread

Sorry to hijack your thread, but, I had an idea, and I want to know what people think:

A mechanism by which you might propose to trade comments with someone? So, offer to give someone a comment-token or whatever, and then if they accept, both of you are obliged to comment eachother's pieces before you can see the comment that the other person wrote (just to incentivise you, since you already accepted the deal). If you find out someone sucks at commenting, just don't give/accept their comment-tokens anymore.

It's one of those things that a lot of people would say "JUST COMMENT THEM DUH", but yeah... it would help me anyway

[sold]

I think that idea is lame.

A better idea is comment notification (within the site) because I have 51 pieces and I can't be bothered to check them all for comments. I don't know if there already is comment notification, but I check this site more than my email anyway.

[sold]

split, sticky

[burning_sands]

sold. there's a comments page where you can see all the comments on your pieces from newest to oldest. top right of your manage pieces page...


i worry more about votes that i lose. there's still one (vote # 142) where i don't know where it went. comment tokens could be interesting, but i fear that my suckage at comments would mean that i wouldn't get any....

[sold]

sold. there's a comments page where you can see all the comments on your pieces from newest to oldest. top right of your manage pieces page...


i worry more about votes that i lose. there's still one (vote # 142) where i don't know where it went. comment tokens could be interesting, but i fear that my suckage at comments would mean that i wouldn't get any....

but you commented through like every piece...

I think we should have big flashy comment notifications and maybe vote notifications too.

But let's not get to the point of pc4pc, which is like whoring yourself on myspace if you didn't care.

[neoeno]

The feature is there in IF1, sold! It's even got its own technology! RSS! IF2 already has an extensive notification system, which will be RSSable as well.

To defend my obviously brilliant idea:

It wouldn't be "Okay, I commented you, you MUST comment my stuff now", it'd be "wanna trade?". It'd be completely with the consent of both parties. I'd envisage it being between people who know eachother already, even on a superficial level, otherwise how could you trust their comments would be awesome enough?

When you have a large number of users and pieces, it's going to get to a stage when things are going to go unnoticed, it's getting there now even. On DA, some people go around one-word commenting or faving purely to get exposure. This culture is not what I want, and I don't imagine it's what most want, especially on a writing site.

But it's impossible to quash that problem just through social pressure, you have to contain things too. You can't just stop a river, you have to reroute it. Channelling people's desire to get comments/etc into them leaving meaningful comments of their own would be better than seeing "Great!" all over your comments page.

To summarise, people will whore themselves out whatever I do, the most I can hope to do is make it useful. Perhaps I'll make them disable-able...

[burning_sands]

hey.

do NOT bring my fave whoring into this neo.

[bobman12]

Not too sound like an asshole here, but I'd rather not have a bunch of newbies being all "HEYYYYYY COMMENT MY PIECEEEEEEEEEEEEEE." It would be a cool feature for some people I guess, but I would turn it off.

[sold]

yup.

[AEtherLightning]

Not too sound like an asshole here, but I'd rather not have a bunch of newbies being all "HEYYYYYY COMMENT MY PIECEEEEEEEEEEEEEE." It would be a cool feature for some people I guess, but I would turn it off.

make it have a vote limit, the initiator of the trade has to have over like say 30??

[neoeno]

Howsabout you can only initiate the trade to people on or below your level?

[bobman12]

If they have really low votes, what's the point in getting bad advice?


EDIT: How about we have settings where we can choose who can or who can't? That would take all the guess work out, and everyone would be happy.

[neoeno]

All of the good writers on IF will start with no votes, same's the bad ones. If we have it as only-people-over-30-votes-or-so can't do this, there's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem, how will they get those 30 votes? Plus, there won't be votes in IF2.

This is how I imagine the dynamics of a only-below-or-equal-to-current-level restriction would work:

The more experienced users who don't want newbs pestering them, won't get any, they'd have to initiate it if they wanted it (hence, you'll only get requests from people of a similar level or above, in a perfect world these would be the people you /want/ comments from).
The newbs want their work reviewed and such, and that's justifiable I think, that's the reason you publish your work. They'll only be able to ask other newbs, who also want their work reviewed, so both newbs will win.

I think everyone would agree that we don't want to alienate new members. Quite the opposite, we want new members (provided they ain't lusers) to stay, and a big part of that is giving them attention and including them in the community. That's generally how it's been so far, and I'd hate for things to become elitist (and I can see a little of that in places even now).

All this said, it will be able to be turned off, and general blacklisting of users will be possible.

[bobman12]

Sounds good.

[Bowers]

wont that prevent newbs from voting on experienced users and vice versa?
I don't think anyone would want to have comments being prevented from being posted just because one writer is of a higher rank than the other.

I think the best way to get way of this problem is to have a good will policy in which posted are encouraged to be returned and new users should be promoted on the forum an on a monthly or fortnightly newsletter.